Since I started playing MTTs fulltime Ive struggled to make money on Stars....Id just constantly lose showdowns, run into better, etc etc etc......This was fine by me as I was crushing AP/FTP and doing decent on Cake so overall everything equaled out, but I always wondered when I'd do my first cashout on Stars....Well finally this week it came - took 2nd in Stars 501r1a and then 2nd in the 162 afternoon for like 14k combined....the first one, the 501r1a I ended up getting HU with about a 3 to 1 disadvantage....HU the button limps and I shove for 30 bbs - he snaps with K9 - I had A8 and he hit and that was that....Obviously a terrible call by him but hed been doing that all final table so nothing new. The second one I came in with about a 2-1 advantage.....I just couldnt flop anything and he apparently continued to pick up hands......I picked off some bluffs, got some of mine picked off - had 1 hand where I 4b pre with like k5 and he jammed - he was playing pretty straightforward and his sizing was giving away info but I couldnt get going...the final hand he opened, I jammed KQ for 20 bbs he obv has AQ......it was frusturating but what can you do......It felt great to withdraw off Stars - took a year to do so, but hey finally.....
As far as the other sites I also did well across the board....won the cake 109, a 50 fo on ap, and another 2nd in an ap.......Ive been feeling good about my game and am in a real good spot with it now.....its funny how much more I'll open now then I use to especially on sites like AP where they dont defend enough.......The only site I wont open too light is Stars cause they defend too much so I go back and forth between playing looser and tighter.......playing some of the softer APs like 50 fo's and the 20k at night you can run over the table so easily its really incredible......Ive also been 4betting more often then before - I still think at mid stakes 4betting is very very borderline as you need to satisfy a couple things before deciding to 4b bluff........had one spot in a FTP tournament where a decent reg opens with like 40 bbs, another decent reg 3bets with like 50 bbs, I got about 50 bbs and decide to put in a cold 4bet with like A3 - I figured its a good spot because the first reg opens with his standard sizing so his range is wide - the 3 bet from the other reg is also the proper 3 bet sizing - both stacks are deep that the 3 bet isnt commiting nor is his plan to isolate the first opener......Bet sizing is so key - had his 3b sizing not been 2.5x the raise then I wouldnt contemplate the 4b but everything was perfect......so I 4 bet - at this point my range is super strong - I dont know if they know who I am or if im capable of 4b without value, so I figured theyd need atleast QQ+,AK to consider getting this all in......anyways the original opener folded, the 3b shoved and I had to fold.....it definitely sucks when 4bs dont work but when they do its a beautiful thing...
Ive also worked on improving some things I was doing wrong........#1 was hero calling against people who arent capable of barreling.....heres an example
blinds 100/200, you have 6k, villan covers....villan is someone thats a reg but not good - hes very straightforward, will never value bet thin, and his sizing isnt the greatest...
villan opens in MP to 500, you flat with AJ, folds around flop comes J77 - he bets you call.....turn is a 2 bringing a club draw - he bets again about half pot you decide to call......river is a non club 6 - he goes all-in......for this player to be betting every street like this he has to have a near nuts hand - even with QQ/KK/AA I think hes that straightforward that he might take some pot control with the 77J flop......his range on the flop is obviously very wide, but I dont think hes capable of betting the turn as a bluff, or if he can its very very rare......when he jams the river its a little over pot so his sizing looks like it could be bluffy but at the same time hes that straightforward that he checks all of his river range except fh's,quads,trips,etc.....anyways I ended up calling and he had A7...I should fold the turn all day....
Another leak Im plugging is raising weak river bets on boards that are pretty dangerous.....Had a spot the other day in that 50 FO - heres teh HH
Stage #269536000 Tourney ID 5640136 Holdem Multi Normal Tournament No Limit 40 - 2010-07-09 15:36:16 (ET)
Table: 2 (Real Money) Seat #5 is the dealer
Seat 1 - RAISERAISE87 (1,910 in chips)
Seat 2 - TWIT007111 (1,164 in chips)
Seat 4 - SCHONGIT (2,229 in chips)
Seat 5 - Z06FANATIC (3,154 in chips)
Seat 6 - BIGPATRA (2,852 in chips)
Seat 7 - IRONP0KER (3,090 in chips)
Seat 8 - DA MAD HATTER (3,836 in chips)
Seat 9 - BIGCATOK (2,000 in chips)
BIGPATRA - Posts small blind 20
IRONP0KER - Posts big blind 40
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to Z06FANATIC [6h Kh]
DA MAD HATTER - Folds
BIGCATOK - Folds
RAISERAISE87 - Folds
TWIT007111 - Folds
SCHONGIT - Folds
Z06FANATIC - Raises 120 to 120
BIGPATRA - Raises 180 to 200
IRONP0KER - Folds
Z06FANATIC - Calls 80
*** FLOP *** [Jh Jc 4h]
BIGPATRA - Checks
Z06FANATIC - Checks
*** TURN *** [Jh Jc 4h] [8s]
BIGPATRA - Bets 160
Z06FANATIC - Calls 160
*** RIVER *** [Jh Jc 4h 8s] [10c]
BIGPATRA - Bets 80
Z06FANATIC - Raises 565 to 565
BIGPATRA - Calls 485
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Z06FANATIC - Shows [6h Kh] (One pair, jacks)
BIGPATRA - Shows [Qd 10h] (Two Pair, jacks and tens)
BIGPATRA Collects 1,890 from main pot
Alright so I open the button here - Im fine with this - I have a suited King in position against weak players who dont defend often....he reraises pre - the sizing leads me to a weaker hand than stronger - either way I have good implied odds to call and can outplay postflop..The flop comes out and he checks - maybe I should be betting here I decided not to as I dont really rep anything and dont want to be blown off my fd......the turn comes and he bets - I probably should of raised here if anything but figured I had alot of equity and hed check/fold alot of rivers....anyways the river comes out and he leads for 80 - its obvious this player is awful and is leading something to protect me from betting alot so I decide to pounce on this and make a substansial raise - of course he calls.....this might work later in a tournament with higher blinds but I think early on I should avoid raising rivers like this because my opponents in a 50 fo arent thinking enough to fold to my range thats either nuts or pure air.....Ive taken spots like these a couple times and definitely seems like burning money :)
Alright im tired and heading off to bed so i can grind tomorrow......no more river bluffs and hero calling
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I have noticed alot of players on AP recently value betting or block betting (3-5 bbs into a 15bb pot) with their Ace high on turns and rivers and then calling any river raise. It is frusterating trying to combat this when in possition because you know they are weak, yet the stakes arn't high enough to make them fold and you know you havn't rep'd anything on that paired board. Option 1- raise turn light, hammer river. Option 2 - If you are out of possition I have been check raising rivers on dangerous boards lately with alot of success (of course villain has to bet the river) but assuming they do bet river and they dont have a monster the river check raise looks big.
Just my thoughts on convincing weak players with a pair/Ace high that their hand is definetly not a winner which, ironically, is tougher to do on AP than Stars. (In refference to the later hand posted on your latest blog).
-donkiman
ya I try c/r rivers when they have 2nd pair and worse but it never seems to work so I just stopped doing it on AP atleast.....definitely think on AP you gotta treat the players differently - more passive, less aggressive, stations.......majority of ap mtters outside regs cant 3 bet light so i find myself stacking too light in spots thats -ev....
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